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About time you cover the No Virus perspective!

Thank you, Reinette!

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Yes, it's been overdue!

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Well you lost me on this one, why cant it be both, both are theories. you can experience both --- I had covid and did post labwork I was not poisoned, no mental seen it pass around in 3 groups of people - all freedom people. good luck if you get it

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https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ch8v4TVL9yq0/ Steve Falkoner has an easy to understand video about all of this. It's long, but well worth the time. He is very easy to listen to. Many people have reposted shorter videos of his. Public health is fraud which is what all of these situations are based on. I can't make you sick and you can't make me sick. If anybody has read books by Joe Dispenza, then you will know the power of our mind and how we can make ourselves sick by thoughts.. Hence I believe how families sometimes get sick. Del has disappointed me for the last few hours as he won't talk about this. I learned so much about vaccines from him in the past and respect him for that. However, here is one of the things that I wish would be discussed more too. Why are we not demanding to repeal Act 1986? If we had true transparency and accountability, big pharma would go down!! Thanks again.

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Minkat, it was when I was mayor when covid hit that we were all pushed to zoom meetings. We met weekly with city, county, and public heath officials. THAT is when I saw the drastic change in the power dynamic. All of a sudden, our freaking public health director (now getting a half million a year to see his/her soul) took control of our communities. That's when I knew something was amiss!

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Still wondering what truly made you and others see through the bs and too many just taking the money with zero care for humanity?! I will never accept the last one!!

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I didn't mean the last few hours about Del, but years. Lol. Was probably tired and can be hard to see on a phone.

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Totally got that.

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Reinette! Thank you for listening to those of us egging you on about this. What I love about both you and Alec is your willingness to explore other perspectives, ask questions, be curious, and not be afraid to change your beliefs about something. So many people, even when they smell a rat, have too much invested in a certain theory - be it money, a job, or their reputation - to say "I don't believe that anymore."

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Barbara, I totally agree. And this inability to change one's mind as the information comes in is what is sending many people to an early death.... sad all around.

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Try these steps the next time you start feeling sort of sick. Print it out for when that happens.

Works remarkably well for me ...

1. Scour the fridge for anything starting to rot, throw it out

2. Pour bleach or H2O2 into all drains including toilet

3. Wash clothes and bedding

4. Throw out all trash, get it away from you

... based on something that to my knowledge is a new theory one might call something like

'Resonant Harmony Antagonism'

There's a beautiful symphony performance going on in your body. Everything has vibrations, like sound. Any of those four items are hysterical microscopic miscreants backstage clanging symbols, banging drums and blasting horns randomly, loudly

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Wow, Gary, this kind of thinks me think of Feng Shui but beyond.

There have also been studies done where conversations have been picked up in a room after the people have left.... the frequency of the conversation still remains. And then there are the plants, and trees. Many call them slow animals. They can hear, see, share stories, and even keep history. I make a point to speak to my house plants. They seem to love it. But now I will pay attention to what you listed. Thank you for another eye-opening paradigm shift!

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On the other hand, if it's a headache, that could just be the brain clamping down trying to protect itself from toxins in the bloodstream due to constipation from white bread.

And/or stuffy nose indicating clogged drainage systems including lymphatic, the trash collecting system with its own vessels throughout the body we hardly ever hear about. It wraps bad things in mucus for curbside pickup to be hauled off to the landfill.

I say, learn to spit. Snarggle it down from your nasal passages and pooey! Avoid hitting loved ones. Ladies, you too, for your health.

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Damn, guess I'm gonna have to stop slapping me lady around.... bad joke.

But as Dr Henry Ealy was mentioning in my most recent video, detoxifying requires clearing out the channels and pathways in our body and then making sure to give you body a good flush. Thank you again for this, Gary.

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In regards to your comment to learn to spit, I knew an ER nurse who always used to say... better out than in.

Constipation can also be caused simply from dehydration, and then we hear things like 'most people are dehydrated'.

The thing is, and I have personally noticed this, is that you can drink liters of water, and you end up peeing it out, but are still not really hydrated fully. That's where the quality of water, the mineral content (we are told, I question every we have been told now) all impact your body's ability to hydrate from the water you drink. The proponents of structured water say it is more hydrating because our bodies absorb it better. Actually getting well hydrated in our modern times may not be so simple.

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DAN WINTER implosion, water. DR EMOTO water form / cymatics. DR POLLOCK EZ Water. DR LUC MONTAGNIER water memory.

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And especially if you have more than one person coming down with the same malady in the same household:

If this works, come back here and let us know would you?

https://reinettesenumsfoghornexpress.substack.com/p/alec-zeck-interview-germ-theory-vs

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Let’s go Reinette!

I live in California and was speaking to my sister in Morocco in December and I said everyone is sick right now. And she said “the weather changed…” and I thought yes she is right. Other cultures think a lot about weather and seasons and wrapping up warmly etc.

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Alec is A+

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Agree. I love his enquiring mind!

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The last mythical virus, spike in the air, cries out ... I coulda been a contender! :D

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Yer a bright AND funny man!

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I’m open to the no virus theory. My main question would be, what are they seeing on electron microscopes then, that they’re calling viruses? Thanks!

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Could it be the ingredients added when they test? I have never understood why so many things are added to test a tiny sample. You are not really testing the sample any more. I wanted a genetic test redone with my second child as I questioned the first one and they denied me. Why wouldn't they redo it? I am quite sure I know why today.

Could it be that the people testing are trained to only understand what they were told and believe only that? They won't even question things. Could it be that they run the test the wrong way? Kary Mullis said you can see just about anything if you run a pcr test high. We are told red is red, the sky is up, etc, but who decided all of that? My daughter woke me up to this idea when she was younger as she asked questions about everything.. In the medical field, you are told what to do, how to do it and basically not question things. I know as I have a little training in it. They have protocols to follow with everything. Just something to think about. We also know they don't want us healthy as they can't make a profit.

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CDC/FDA PCR instructions at https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download specify 24 times a Ct (Cycle threshold) of 40x while Fauci is on video saying anything over 35 is "just dead nucleotides period".

I sense what you said, the people running the PCR machines are unthinkingly following orders. They could be told in various regions to increase or decrease the amplifications, to generate an outbreak or the reverse, without questioning.

Meanwhile I can't find the science that the 32 base pairs amplified 40 times aren't also present in cold, flu & pneumonia--eh-hem--"viruses".

Heard on radio that flu is back now by the way. It had disappeared, when everything was labeled covid.

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The flu most definitely went away in most developed countries, but all around the world. A man on YouTube has been reporting about it since the beginning. Censored at times, but still got the information out. He developed the program that John Hopkins uses to track these things when he worked for Oracle. His name is John Cullen but goes by John E Hoover. He is in disguise as he has too much knowledge about the Las Vegas shooting a few years ago and has been a target. He is very easy to listen to and great graphics and stats. You might have to go back some time. I can't follow everything as I am focused on the real constitution, affidavits etc and learning how we can take back our country, county by county. Involved in a very serious committed group. Hoping Reinette will look into it too as I have forwarded the information to her.

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I think their answer would be ... when cells die, those appear, debris

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Yes, I’ve seen the exosome theory, which makes sense. Regardless of whether viruses exist at all , the terrain theory is important and very real. Most traditional medicine uses it. We definitely come from this perspective in TCM, traditional Chinese medicine.

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Lots of the Team No Virus people have talked about this, probably including Alec. It just didn't come up here because there was limited time. But I would suggest following whoever from that group you like the style and demeanor of. Basically what they are seeing on the electron microscope is cellular debris. We all have cells, bacteria, etc within our body breaking down all the time. But just as Alec described the process they use to culture these viruses, in order to 'prepare' a sample for viewing under an electron microscope they do a lot of stuff to it like introducing deadly toxic substances and I think irradiation and freezing (can't quite remember}, anyway they submit the living cells of your bodily fluids to things that will kill them, then there is the normal cellular debris that your body works constantly at breaking down and getting rid of - but for any snapshot in time there will be some of that in the fluids. So when the cell walls break open from the toxic procedures the contents spill out. Both Cowan and Kaufman have talked about the blobs they point to and label 'virus' in the electron microscope photos also look exactly like what are called exosomes (which exist in our bodies and are not pathogenic).

Dr Tom Cowan talks a lot about the fact that none of these virologists have looked at living blood under a microscope (Royal Raymond Rife built a microscope that could do this - his lab was raided by government agents, his equipment seized and 'disappeared', his notes and books burned, his clinic destroyed.), so just in the act of being 'prepared' to be put under the electron microscope they have altered and killed off the cells they are looking at. So no matter what they are seeing, they have no proof that it is what is found in your live blood inside your body. In the past Cowan has talked and written about exosomes but he now feels that what they are pointing at and claiming are 'viruses' are just artifacts, cellular debris from dead and dying cells.

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The M Night Shyamalan movie THE HAPPENING touches on plants communicating via gaseous emissions; we also know about SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS experiments. We also know about mammalian pheremones.

Is it possible virii / cellular-debris operate similarly? The stench of one's trash is sometimes sufficient to cause sickness (vomiting) in another; zoom that idea down to tiny level.

Is "contagion" the exporting of trash and its import by another? This would involve efficiency of export, ease / acceptance of import, and also compatibility. "Terrian" would factor into all levels.

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Dear Reinette, Alec refered to a video recorded with a microbiologist, do you have the link? Thanks in advance.

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Well, let me apologize. Your comment reminded me that Alec sent me some links to add to my post. So bad of me.... I forgot to add, but have now, and there is a whole bunch of them above!

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No problem Reneitte! Thank you for the fantastic video with Alec!

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Is the video with “Younea Tomsic” Alec mentions on 15:10 not available?

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Well done, again, Reinette. Thank you for introducing Alec Zeck. Very incisive. My mantra is to observe before accepting anything these days. Sooner or later the wheat and the chaff are divided making it easier to discern correctly. I'd been hearing some negative things about Del and frankly haven't really seen or heard much from him in a while. While RFK seems to mean well, and I know this is not scientific criteria, he is connected to Hollyweird. And you're so right in pointing out that we have been lied to for so long and the lies so deep that it's even a wake up call to someone such as myself, awake for so long, that when reading the technical details in Zeck's letter it's yet another wake up call. Stay safe! PS Are there reparations for having your 'golden years' stolen?!

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I wish there were reparations.... but I don't think we could ever make up for all the time and energy lost.

And, yes, even for those of us who have been waking up to the lies, this has still been a wake up call. Keeps one humble....

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...and angry. What good is being awake (except for your own path of enlightenment), when no one else is and you're just marginalized?

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Good question, but fortunately I/we are not completely alone. Our side, the inquiring minds, is growing! And even if it wasn't, I certainly am used to forging my own path!

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I hear you.

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I have done research on how many of the earliest promoters of the theory that the SARS 2 virus does not exist were either flat earthers or somehow linked to the flat earth psyop: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zdsOm3LvgBv5OdSVnxSdpAou6mv7WMrA. Here's a short version without links to sources:

The first video on Andrew Kaufman's YouTube channel is an interview he did in November 2019 with the James True, and Kaufman said it was his debut interview. However the interview was focused on general health-related topics, and Kaumfan first presented his theory that viruses do not exist in March 2020 when he did interviews with the flat earthers Crrow777, Secrets of Saturn, Richie from Boston, and James True. James True said on Twitter that he was Kaufman's "lead writer". On Kaufman's YouTube channel, the first video where he presented his theory about viruses is a clip of his presentation which was originally livestreamed on James True's YouTube channel, and which also featured a discussion about Kaufman's presentation by a panel of six people who were all flat earthers. True's original livestream included links to 16 websites which were used as sources in the presentation, and it also included a link to a PowerPoint file of Kaufman's presentation which was hosted on True's website, but none of the links were included in the clip of the presentation posted on Kaufman's channel, so I think True may have written the PowerPoint slides, and he has hosted similar PowerPoint files for his own YouTube videos on his website. During the presentation, Kaufman said: "I want to especially thank James True who has been a great friend, confidant, and collaborator throughout this whole thing". In a tweet in April 2020 where James True asked for donations, he wrote: "My Dr. Kaufman vid has been seen over 200k times in 5 days. I am employing myself, one editor, and one producer and we could use a video editor for maximum effect." A few days later James True tweeted: "I have emptied my patreon account on editors, publishing, and pushing Dr Kaufman's video."

James True has made a bunch of tweets like this: "Satan is the fall of man. Lucifer is the rise. King James didn't want people to rise. The Golden Dawn is why we are all here. It is the goal of the Great Work." And he also tweeted: "Masons believe lying is good for the people. They seek to bring an age of enlightenment. They lie to bring Lucifer." He also advocated for lying in several other tweets, and for example he tweeted: "If no one lied, no one would discern. Lies open our discernment. Parents lie to their child to open their discernment." And his tweets are full of Masonic concepts like the Great Work or the Phoenix rising from the ashes, like for example: "Awareness is the understanding that we are all illuminating ourselves. Just like when we chose long ago to enslave ourselves. The Great Work is rapture. A baptism through psychology. Phoenix fire." In one tweet, True wrote that "all of these lies are a gift", but the tweet wasn't a reply to any other tweet or part of any thread, so when True said "all of these lies", I think he meant the lies that he has been telling to his followers. James True posted a video titled "Are you a traveling man?" where he basically implied that he was a Mason even though he didn't say it directly. So if he advocates for lying, he says that Masons believe that lying is good, and he's either a thinly veiled Mason or someone who larps as a thinly veiled Mason, then why should we believe that he is speaking the truth?

I think the second person after James True who interviewed Kaufman was the flat earther Crrow777. In episode 425 of his podcast, Crrow777 said that he has "talked to so many people that I was in the Marine Corps with that were Masons". James True has also tweeted that he is ex-military and that "me and my entire family are military". Crrow777's name might come from Aleister Crowley's Kabbalistic text titled "777" which discussed the teachings of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. James True has posted several tweets which used the phrase "Golden Dawn", and Kaufman did a livestream with James True and Benjamin Balderson about Hermetic principles. In a video that James True did about Freemasonry with Marty Leeds, they both defended Freemasonry and said that Masons are misunderstood, and they both had detailed knowledge about Masonry even though claimed to not be Freemasons. The username of Marty Leeds on various websites is martyleeds33. Marty Leeds and Benjamin Balderson were both speakers at the flat earth conference Flatoberfest 2022, which was held at the Greenville Shrine Club & Event Center in Greenville, SC. The website of the event center says that "Shriners are members of the Masonic Fraternity and adhere to the principles of Freemasonry". The Facebook page of Flatoberfest 2022 was registered by United For Good Information whose email address on Facebook is the address of Crrow777's wife.

James True tweeted that he first met Kaufman in the summer of 2019 on a retreat of the Omega Institute for Holistic Studies in Rhinebeck in upstate New York. In 2020, True posted two videos from a retreat of the Omega Institute where he discussed alchemy and demonology together with Amandha Vollmer and Benjamin Balderson, who are both flat earthers and who both call themselves alchemists.

Amandha Vollmer started mirroring videos by Stefan Lanka on YouTube in January 2020. Vollmer did a presentation about Lanka's theory at EVENT 202 which was organized by the British flat earther Allegedly Dave. Kaufman was earlier announced as one of the speakers at EVENT 202 but his appearance was later canceled. Another speaker at EVENT 202 was the ex-military flat earther Shelley Lewis who made a flat earth film together with the ex-military flat earther Joshua Michael Gennari. And another speaker at EVENT 202 was the flat earther Mark Devlin, who was one of the five speakers in a screening of a movie by Crow777 and Jason Lindgren in NYC.

Kaufman's film "Hippocratic Hypocrisy" was produced and narrated by the flat earth channel Spacebusters. I think James True may also have written the script of the film, because the film featured an extensive discussion about the occult meaning of the Staff of Asclepius and the Caduceus of Hermes, which was also the main theme of one of James True's livestreams. Spacebusters later published another similar film which featured both Kaufman and Cowan. Spacebusters have now also made a deal to produce another feature-length film for Sam Bailey, and they have done English voiceovers for Stefan Lanka's videos. Steve Falconer who narrates most videos by Spacebusters sounds like a professional narrator, but a few videos by Spacebusters are narrated by a different person who has a British accent and who also sounds like a professional narrator, which makes Spacebusters seem like a very grassroots operation. In March 2020, Spacebusters posted a video where Aajonus Vonderplanitz talked about how viruses are solvents and how polio is not a viral disease. A clip of another similar presentation by Vonderplanitz was posted in March 2020 by the flat earther David Weiss. Weiss said that he was first turned into a flat earther by Sofia Smallstorm. Smallstorm began to promote the theory that the SARS 2 virus does not exist in an interview with the flat earther Jeranism in March 2020. Another early promoter of the theory was Max Igan, who in January 2020 said that he believes in flat earth, but a few days later he said that he was being targeted with mind control technology and he doesn't actually believe in flat earth. However in 2016, Max Igan also posted a video about his flight from Chile to Australia which was supposed to provide evidence for the flat earth theory because his compass was supposedly pointing in the wrong direction, and his video was then discussed by the flat earthers Jeranism and Globebusters.

Max Igan, Spacebusters, and David Weiss have all posted videos about mud floods and Tartaria. The first YouTuber who started making videos about mud floods was the Russian flat earther Philipp Druzhinin. In 2018, several flat earthers changed the main focus of their channel to Tartaria or mud floods or how history is fake, including Barnabas Nagy, captain kirk, Martin Liedtke, Richard Lopez, and UAP. About half of the most popular Tartaria YouTubers have also posted videos about flat earth and vice versa. My hypothesis is that in the same way that in 2018 flat earthers were deployed to popularize the fake conspicary theories about Tartaria and mud floods, later in early 2020 flat earthers were deployed to popularize the false theory that the SARS 2 virus does not exist.

Three years ago Sofia Smallstorm and Max Igan were among the first people who I heard promote the theory that the SARS 2 virus does not exist, but at the time I didn't know that both of them have said that they believe in flat earth. And in early 2020, I also saw some of Stefan Lanka's videos which were mirrored to YouTube by Amandha Vollmer, but I didn't know that she has also said that she believes in flat earth.

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Reinette:

PLEASE watch this interview . A Florida county (Republicans) is going forward and is holding pepretrators feet to the fire in order to make the clot shots illegal and anyone guilty of pushing them accountable. Pleae watch the interview!

https://josephsansone.substack.com/p/i-was-a-guest-on-stew-peters-show

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Let's agree that the science for viruses is suspect. However, there is an empirical portion that is hard to deny. Immunity, in particular, is vexatious to any analysis using Terrain Theory alone.

1) Measles: If you put a bunch of kids into a room with one person who has measles, the disease will spread -- WITH ITS DEFINING SYMPTOMS, and infected children will not be reinfected in the future.

2) Individual PCR Test - Obviously there are many problems with this test, and it probably counts many colds as COVID. It also seems to count dead "viruses" . However, the PCR test outcomes directly relate to these symptoms occuring in individuals even if the exact relationship can be tortuous. Outside of the vaccinated, who are dealing with an evil bioweapon, immunity seems to be produced.

3) Water PCR tests -- again these correlate with the onset of symptoms as they occur in the wild, however imperfectly https://www.mwra.com/biobot/biobotdata.htm

3) Immunity. Studies in South Korea indicate that "COVID" almost never recurs. People are having an immunity to something!

5) Seurm prevelance. John Ioannidis is one of the people who has most challenged the poor quality studies out there, epsecially double blind studies, which should be a gold standard. Yet he was able to find a measure of serotoxicity that relates to exposure, infection, and death https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/340124/PMC7947934.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

6) Hope - Simpson clearly finds s seasonal trend in outcomes of viruses (really illnesses since no one is tested for virus). Disease (and death) is heavily-related to absolute humidity levels and other seasonal/environmental factors such as temperature and exposure to the sun.

While there are other possible causes, such as 5G, they do not have the seasonability, variability, and immunity that corresponds to the above cases. They also do not explain transmissability. I don't quite understand the science, but 5G seems very related to many of these symptoms, but I have heard that Trump removed the most harmful features in 5G before it was implemented in the US.

So there is something out there that is measurable in symptoms, is variable by specific dimensions, and delivers immunity. It does not specifically have to be a virus. I have definitely been impressed by those who have pointed to the role of parasites, both as they relate to the success of Ivermectin and their seeming cause of cancer

The famous cholera study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854_Broad_Street_cholera_outbreak showed a direct relation of exposure to disease which was conclusively eliminated by changing the plumbing leak that led to this outbreak.

There are pathogens, but we may not understand them well, they DO produce similar symptoms in a similarly affected individuals (when measured by symptoms), and many of them seem to produce immunity for future similar infections. The actual "science" is probably all wrong, but the pattern of infection and immunity occuring in correlated waves, is something that cannot be explained by terrain theory at all, if ithis assumes that there are no pathogens.

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"Let's agree that the science for viruses is suspect"

I think it's more accurate to say virology does not even qualify as science. It does not use proper controls and is therefore unfalsifiable. For that reason alone it should not be considered a science and everything downstream from virology should therefore be considered invalid ('tests', vaccines, masks, lockdowns... the lot).

Virologists have been invited to prove their methodology with blinded controls. So far nobody has accepted the challenge (all costs will be covered).

https://drsambailey.com/resources/settling-the-virus-debate/

"However, there is an empirical portion that is hard to deny. Immunity, in particular, is vexatious to any analysis using Terrain Theory alone."

If germ theory/ virology is wrong then there is no such thing as immunity. Therefore you cannot use the concept of 'immunity' to defend germ theory/ virology. In other words, you have to wipe the slate clean and redefine what is actually going on.

If Santa Claus isn't real the presents at the end of the bed must come from another source. When debating the issue you have to stop calling them 'Santa's presents', which implies Santa exists. You have to wipe the slate clean and look for a completely different explanation for how they got there. If you keep calling them 'Santa's presents' you will never be free to find that alternative explanation.

Once you dig into terrain theory you find all sorts of alternative explanations and possibilities for what is going on with the body (and mind) which represent a completely different paradigm to germ theory, with none of the concepts or terminology that germ theory relies on.

For example measles may be some sort of maturation process. The fact that it can often seem to be 'contagious' might just be due to children triggering each other to go through the same process at the same time (not unlike synchronised periods).

It's like shifting from a geocentric to a heliocentric model. You have to start from scratch with basic observations and resist the temptation to bring the old model back into play by using its terminology.

As much as contagion seems self evident, there is no actual scientific evidence of it. Every scientific study for the last century has disproven the theory of contagion. That simple truth is enough on its own to invalidate germ theory/ virology. I mean, they should first demonstrate contagion between humans in a normal setting before messing about with microscopes and petri dishes right?

The geocentric model of the solar system got progressively more and more complex (convoluted) right up until the moment that it was discarded in favour of the completely different (and far more simple) heliocentric model.

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Applying the same stellar logic, if the geocentric model is incorrect, then the Earth is flat because being spherical is a part of the geocentric model. Moreover, the heliocentric model can't be possibly correct because stars and the Sun don't exist as nobody ever reached them. Astronomy doesn't even qualify as science! And if it's all incorrect, you have to accept the model of my preference, the world is a Facebook page displayed on 4 iPhones.

Sophistry isn't science. And you confuse reality (observable phenomena - such as contagion and immunity) with theories, studies with your own fantasies. What a mess.

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"Applying the same stellar logic, if the geocentric model is incorrect, then the Earth is flat because being spherical is a part of the geocentric model."

You haven't explained how terrain theory is comparable to flat earth. All you have done is make a flimsy association, which suggests you have no arguments against the terrain model so you have to resort to mocking it instead. Perhaps you might also like to associate the terrain model with sexism or abuse of animals too.

Or perhaps you might like to make an actual scientific argument.

"Moreover, the heliocentric model can't be possibly correct because stars and the Sun don't exist as nobody ever reached them."

We can observe them which strongly suggests they exist. We have yet to observe the phenomenon of contagion, despite many experiments designed to demonstrate it.

"you confuse reality (observable phenomena - such as contagion and immunity)"

As I have pointed out contagion and immunity are NOT observations, they are INTERPRETATIONS based on observations. That's not the same thing.

For centuries people observed the phenomena of sailors getting sick on ocean crossings. They got sick together. When they picked up passengers they also got sick after spending time on the ship.

Those are the OBSERVATIONS. If you start talking about 'contagion' that's an INTERPRETATION, not an observation.

As it turned out the sailors were getting sick due to a vitamin C deficiency. If you use the word (and therefore the CONCEPT) of 'contagion' every time you discuss the sailors you will never be able to figure out what is making them sick because the concept of CONTAGION rules out the possibility of a vitamin deficiency. It keeps you locked inside of the paradigm of pathogens..... the paradigm of GERM THEORY.

If scientists had mistakenly called 'contagion' an observation (rather than an interpretation) we'd still be looking for the cause of scurvy to this day.

This is why it's important to not use words and phrases that carry unproven assumptions with them. Science requires us to stick to the bare observations, no matter how frustrating that is.

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What are the specific symptoms of Measels? Why do they never recur?

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Balderdash. Try submitting it for a high school term paper.

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I was actually mocking the "logic" of terrain theory.

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You can't deny immunity. It is measurable, repeatable, and quantifiable. However, the cause of this medical phenomenon must be unknown, given the noted fallibility of the virus model. You can't deny that Measles has definable symptoms and those symptoms do not repeat when re-exposed.

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Right, but talking about 'immunity' and being 're-exposed' presupposes some sort of pathogen. It's a kind of reification fallacy.

You can tell test subjects they've been 'infected' with a cold and they will exhibit cold symptoms. They will actually get sick for real. You can be married (and intimate) with someone with a terrible cold and not get it. You can have a measles party with ten children and only 4 'catch' the measles. The other 6 don't.

Wherever there is (apparent) evidence of 'contagion' there is equally evidence of no contagion. Meanwhile no virus has ever been shown to exist and several medical professors (Dr Frasier, Dr Thomas C Powell, Dr Pettenkofer) used to routinely drink beakers full of deadly bacteria (cholera, bubonic plague) to show their medical students that bacteria do not actually cause disease.

Dr Rosenau spent all of 1918 rubbing snot from flu patients into the eyeballs. mouths and noses of healthy volunteers and failed to make any of them sick.

Germ theory is so widely accepted there is apparently no need for any actual evidence to back it up.

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You are impervious to reason.

John Ioannides is the pre-eminent scholar of bad scientific/medical data and still believes in a measurable disease with common factors such as symptoms, immunity and death. Anything that is consistently and falsifiably measured is science., even if the underlying hypothesis is wrong (see Ptolemaic Epicylcles) Your pablums count as narrative that ignores these facts as inconvenient.

Nobody has said that any disease will be 100 percent transmissable. There are many scientific facts arround the Diamond Princess which suggested less than 100 percent transmissibility and I am sure there are many similar studies with the same conclusion.

Come up with a model that is testable and falsifiable, and then come back to talk to me and Mr. future Nobel Prizewinner Ioannides.

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"You are impervious to reason."

This is not an argument.

"John Ioannides is the pre-eminent scholar of bad scientific/medical data and still believes in a measurable disease with common factors such as symptoms, immunity and death."

Believing in something is not an argument. I'm aware of John Ioannides and if I remember he was one of the first to question the official 'covid' death and 'case' numbers. However, he uses terms associated with germ theory which keep him locked inside the germ theory paradigm. I explained how language does this in my previous comment.

In order to think clearly you have to let go of all language that has an existing meaning. You have to take it right back to basics and make ZERO assumptions.

"Nobody has said that any disease will be 100 percent transmissable"

Throughout history germ theorists have had to constantly lower the bar as their theory failed to account for reality. At first it was proposed that health meant being 100% free from germs. Then it was discovered that we are full of germs. So they called them 'good' germs. Then it was discovered that we are full of the bad germs too. Then concepts like 'a healthy immune system' were invented.

All of these represent concessions to terrain theory. Many diseases once thought of as contagious (caused by pathogens) are now accepted to be due to various deficiencies or toxins. Probably the most famous example is scurvy. Once again we see a shift away from germ theory towards terrain theory. But germ theorists still cling to certain diseases even though contagion has never been proven and these diseases also fit the terrain theory model.

"There are many scientific facts arround the Diamond Princess which suggested less than 100 percent transmissibility"

The Diamond Princess had a massive refit in 2019, which included the latest state-of-the-art satellite link up technology to provide passengers with real time internet access at sea. The ship employed millimetre waves (5G technology) to link up to low and medium earth orbiting satellites which beamed high speed internet from land to the ship, which was then redistributed around the ship with ordinary wifi.

In other words the ship blasted its passenger with microwaves, which are known to cause flu-like symptoms (studies going back to the 1970's have documented this).

Millions of people have been complaining that microwaves from new wireless infrastructure makes them sick, and these complaints have only increased as more infrastructure has been rolled out. As a result many countries have now started taking wifi out of schools. France has actually outlawed it. Court cases are now beginning to rule in favour of people getting sick from wifi and ordering it be removed. Microwave pollution will eventually be banned from ALL public places just as smoking was.

In light of this, it is reasonable to explore the possibility that the passengers on the Diamond Princess got hammered by the new wireless system and got sick from it. Just to complicate things, if there are reports of sickness on board a ship (an 'outbreak') then that is enough by itself to trigger some people to get sick by psychosomatic processes.

There are so many avenues to explore, but unfortunately the unproven germ theory and bogus 'virus' model gets in the way of proper science.

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What arre Ptolemaic Epicylcles?

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Gravity doesn't exist either. Several professors routinely jumped from a cliff and didn't get hurt. You only fall down because you've told so and believe it. When jumping from a cliff, don't forget to drink deadly bacteria, you can disprove all those horrible anti-scientific theories in one shot.

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"gravity doesn't exist either. Several professors routinely jumped from a cliff and didn't get hurt."

This analogy doesn't work. Nobody claimed bacteria don't exist or that people don't get sick , or even that bacteria are not often associated with sickness, injury or disease.

The fact is there is no scientific evidence for bacteria being the primary CAUSE of disease (they are more accurately an EFFECT of disease or injury). This is why you can drink beakers full of 'deadly bacteria' and remain perfectly well. This is why we all have bacteria associated with disease inside of us all the time. These bacteria tend to multipy as a RESPONSE to sickness and disease, hence the association. But germ theory gets the cause/ effect the wrong way around.

Germ theorists have yet to account for why every contagion experiment for the last century has failed to make healthy people sick by exposing them to the snot, lung fluid, sneezes or breath of sick people.

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Actually, gravity doesn’t exist.

https://youtu.be/uE9HA_PJUW4

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Finally some sense! Thank you!

Let's say something like half of Europe died of Bubonic Plague. Regarding this and at a minimum, we can say 'something happened,' symptom presented and most of the people with the symptoms died shortly thereafter.

Today, we know that rats carry fleas which carry 'a pathogenic agent' of some kind, the fleas carried by rats land on a person and bite the person, something happens from the injected material from the bite and symptoms present. However, today such people are treated with an antibiotic and the symptoms disappears and the person lives.

As a personal note, I have always shunned medications, and in fact, most of the allopathic world of medical practice. And I see no antagonism between Turrain's 'keep the immune system healthy and happy by good living habits' ... and taking something that actually works when needed (for instance ivermectin, hyroxychoroquine, etc. for the Magic Flue, whatever it is).

It seems that Turrain decries against 'germs' and 'viruses' ... but in listening to these people, they never seem to directly say 'if there are no germs or viruses, then this (whatever this is) causes symptoms to present'. Another words, Turrain people seem to avoid a direct causative explanation of things in a pin the tail on the donkey fashion. Why is this?

It appears to me that a lot stuff is getting mixed up and conflated and maybe outright left not even considered. (All of the above in way denies or dismisses orin any way marginalizes the great Evil now being perpetrated against humankind by the worst demonic administration of rule in the history of the planet.)

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The following is Stefan Lanka's explanation for how the genetic sequencing of what are alleged to be viruses works: "Based on the sequence data generated in the first round of nucleic acid propagation, short pieces of nucleic acids are biochemically generated for the propagation of nucleic acids by PCR, so-called primers. These artificially generated primers themselves yield, depending on the protocol, approximately 4-20% of the sequence alignment of what is ultimately presented, after this second step of PCR propagation, as the sequence alignment of SARS-CoV-2. This second PCR propagation step for the subsequent mathematical, called bioinformatic formation of the sequence is called, among other things, deep meta-transcriptomic sequencing. The fact that an extremely unscientifically high number of cycles of PCR is applied here (35-45, so-called Ct value), in which artificial nucleic acid sequences are automatically generated that do not exist in reality, is further proof of the anti-scientific nature of virology, but plays no role in the argumentation presented here. It is evident from points 1. and 2. that no genetic strand of a virus was ever found. Instead, existing fragments of nucleic acids were first multiplied biochemically, by means of double PCR, strongly and with an extremely high error rate. The sequences of these millionfold artificially generated nucleic acids were determined, subsequently subdivided mathematically into even much shorter sequences, and these were arbitrarily combined with each other. From the multitude of these arbitrary combination products, special software programs are used to select those that match a nucleic acid once it has been specified. The resulting mathematical construct is output as the genetic strand of a virus." (http://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/the-end-of-corona-a-chance-for-everybody.pdf)

So basically what Lanka claims is that the raw reads that are produced by the sequencing hardware correspond to real genetic sequences which exist in physical reality, but he claims that the source of the sequences are contaminants and not viruses. And he claims that when the raw reads are assembled to form a whole-genome sequence, it ends up reproducing the alleged genome of SARS 2 because during the alignment step of the assembly process, the reference genome of SARS 2 is employed as a template against which the raw reads are aligned.

However you can look up the raw reads for a SARS 2 sequencing run yourself. For example go to the "Data availability" section at the end of this paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7409862/. Click on "SRR12109250" under "Data availability", click on "SRR12109250" again, click on "Reads", and copy the nucleotide sequence of the first raw read: "gttgtacttc gttcagttac gtattgctaa ggttaagact actctgcctt tgaacagcac cttcatcaga ttcagcttgc atggcattgt tagtagcctt atttaaggct cacctcagct tacctcctca tgtttaaggt aaacgatggc tgcattaacc actgttggtt ttaccttttt agcttcttcc acaatgtctg catttttaat gtatgcattg tcattagttt taataaccac cactaaaact attcacttta atgaat". Then paste the sequence to the "Enter Query Sequence" field in nucleotide BLAST: https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Blast.cgi?PROGRAM=blastn. Then when you click the "BLAST" button, you'll see that the best match for the sequence is a genome of SARS 2, with around 90.24% identity which is within the typical error rate for nanopore sequencing. So if the sequence of the raw read actually comes from a contaminant like cow blood like Lanka claims, then why is the genome of the contaminant not the top match for the raw read? The GenBank database is full of the genetic sequences of contaminants. And if the genome of SARS 2 is just made up like Lanka claims, then why can you find a 266-nucleotide sequence in nature which is 90% identical to a segment of the genome of SARS 2?

Lanka makes it seem like the process of assembling the raw reads involves some kind of black magic, but actually the assembly pipeline employs the same command line utilities that are used to assemble the genomes of humans and other organisms. One assembly pipeline that was designed for SARS 2 is called HaVoC, and it uses BWA or Bowtie to align the raw reads, Sambamba or Samtools to process SAM and BAM files, BEDtools to mask low coverage regions, Lofreq to do variant calling, and BCFtools or Samtools to perform consensus calling (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8285700/). The same programs like BWA and Samtools are also used to assemble human genomes (https://wikis.utexas.edu/display/CoreNGSTools/The+Basic+Alignment+Workflow).

You can also try to assemble the raw reads yourself. Go to the "Data availability" section at the end of this paper: https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7409862/. Click on "SRR12109250" under "Data availability", click on "SRR12109250" again, click on "FASTA/FASTQ Download". Then open this online utility for assembling the raw reads: https://ngdc.cncb.ac.cn/ncov/online/tool/variation?lang=en. Press the "Choose File" button next to "Upload Single-end Sequencing file", select the file you just downloaded, and press the "Run" button. Then after a few minutes you'll get the assembled genome, and it also shows you all of the bases where the assembled genome differs from the reference genome. The default reference genome used by the online utility is Wuhan-Hu-1, which is supposed to have been collected in December 2019. But yet the online utility detects that the raw reads you uploaded have the D614G mutation at position 23403, which only became common in March 2020 (https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7310631/).

So if the D614G mutation is not part of the Wuhan-Hu-1 reference genome, then where does the information about the mutation come from? Is the sequencing hardware rigged (so that the mutation is already present in the FASTQ file) or is the assembly software rigged (so that the mutation is not present in the FASTQ file)?

If the sequencing hardware is rigged, then does the hardware look up information from some online database so that for example it should begin to introduce the D614G mutation to the raw reads around March 2020, and then later it should keep introducing the D614G mutation less often in Asia but more often in Europe? Would different sequencers by different manufacturers all be rigged the same way, and would even old sequencers which were manufactured before COVID be rigged? Would the sequencers also have similarly rigged logic for thousands or millions of other species of viruses so that for each virus, the sequencer somehow knows how to introduce the mutations which are supposed to currently be common at the current part of the world? How would the sequencer even know that a raw read is supposed to represent a part of the genome of a virus? Often the raw reads have an accuracy of only around 80% or 90%, and the sequencer would need to loop through the genomes of thousands of viruses to see if any of them matches the raw read with a high enough accuracy so that new mutations should be introduced to that region of the virus. But often there's millions of raw reads per run, so it would take forever to check each of them against each species of virus.

Or alternatively, is the rigging done on the level of the command line programs that are used to do assemble the raw reads into a complete genome? Do the command line utilities look up information from some online database so that they know which mutations they should introduce to the virus depending on which mutations are supposed to be common at the current time in the current geographic area? You can see that's not the case if you look up the source code of the utilities (https://github.com/lh3/bwa, https://github.com/samtools). And the utilities don't even require an internet connection to run.

If you think that my method of doing a BLAST search for a raw read is not valid in the case of viruses, then you can also try my method with some other organism. For example when I searched the sequence read archive for "oxford nanopore wgs dog", I found a set of raw reads titled "WGS of Canis lupus familiaris: male yellow Labrador retriever" (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/SRX8367779%5baccn%5d). The set of raw reads was sequenced using the GridION sequencer by Oxford Nanopore Technologies which is also commonly used to sequence genomes of SARS 2. Then I clicked on "SRR11816795", I clicked on "Reads", I copied the sequence of the first read, I googled for "nucleotide BLAST" and opened the first result, I pasted the sequence into the big text field at the top, and I pressed the "BLAST" button. Then the best match for the BLAST search ended up being a sequence titled "Canis lupus familiaris breed Labrador retriever chromosome 37a". So if the raw reads produced by the GridION sequencer are valid in the case of Labrador retrievers, then why are they not valid in the case of SARS 2?

On NextStrain, you can see how different mutations have been introduced to the genome of SARS 2 over time, and how different mutations are common in different parts of the world (https://nextstrain.org/ncov). However the mutations are not part of the Wuhan-Hu-1 reference genome which is typically used to align the raw reads, so where does the information about the mutations come from?

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Thanks, Michael, I will check this out.

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Good article. I also feel it is a false dialectic. That must be why I cannot completely settle on "one side or the other."

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Wow. Wow. Wow. What an interview.

I have been OPEN to the idea that viruses are a Rockefeller-lie, but I never took the time to look more carefully in to this topic (mostly because my terrain-theory friends couldn't break it down for me simply enough to compel me to spend my time, here). This...was fantastic.

I found this interview after searching for "terrain vs. germ theory" on Telegram and found this link from someone. Ha! Of COURSE you have covered this topic! Whew!

Up next on my watchlist is "Terrain." I also just discovered that the director of Terrain (Marcelina Cravat) is on the California Chemtrail chat. What an honor and pleasure to see how we are all coming together!

I love you, my friend. Thank you, and thank Alec for breaking it down so succinctly for me.

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